Again, these were never worn, and I took a pic of the “crotch” area, as this is often where you can spy an area of wear in clothing. These slacks will be perfect for fall, they have some substance to them, but they aren’t too warm, and the Elastane in the fabric gives the waistband and the rest of the pants a lot of stretch. The pants are comfy and stylish - just one note, there are no pockets. From a smoke-free home.