these are the late 90's early 2000s dr martens I still remember buying them in high school and I graduated in 02 so there 99-2002 still habe last of life left on them I treated em well and after i wore em forever I bought new ones and these stayed put up till now I actually dont wear a sz 12 anymore so someone else should wear them i think' they're dr martens 1461s crazy horse if i remember correctly and offers are welcome