These are the most comfortable shoes you will ever wear. You don’t even realize you have heels on. I have 4 pair accidentally bought two black and forgot to return. Even if you’ve never worn heels you will love these Melissa Patty Black patent mule.. These are brand new see bottom. Box is included. I have several pair wear these fall and winter when not snowing. This outer shell seems like it would make feet hot, they do not. Size 8. Prob fit even 8.5. They look so flattering in and I always get compliments.