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I traded with Samanthajo3 on Oct. 19 for $300 worth of items. We both promised to ship the next day. I shipped and tried to message her all week and she wouldn't respond. Today (October. 26) she deleted all our chat histories and the traded listings and has re-listed all those items for sale and for trade.
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nicky2014
she also had provided me with a false address so she can go pick my stuff up in person from her post office in CT. I'm sure she'll change her profile picture and maybe her user name as soon as she realizes this listing is up. Please block her for your own good. I already lost all my items and can't get them back.
nicky2014
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mikelysh2014
That's horrible ! Sorry Hun at least we got her!
priscyguayo
😱oh wow sorry it happen because of her people don't wanna trade anymore
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 my loss though 😔. Poshmark never emailed back or shut her page down. Could you please tag your PM friends on this?
nicky2014
@priscyguayo yeah I'm not sure about trading now
nicky2014
@cynthiabec @cynthia_2015 @cynthiaasalas please read and share with everyone
nicky2014
@latailzzz @lidovicky @lady_r @lexxthuggin @latestcraze @mandybabey @michellzeb1 @majestic_lex @nicoledavis11 @neilslady @niallovesdev @giggles93 @goosehead2b @gnzlz90 @gabbyt2015 @ogoodness @olucilass @oregonianlovee @octaviabond @preppygirls @peonyandpearls @queenjmo
nicky2014
@qaqueen1 @quamettria @rantabree @rhetoricaljabbe @rbanez @rebel_house @snowflake2 @sadangel0890 @smileyamy817 @stumlerae @tehyaaanicole @thepriceisrigh @ttumom4 @twopeas @ughbritni @uptown_dyme @uoenome @upscale_closet @violetbear @vangp77 @vancsam1 @va2015 @whyme4121980 @wrighte01 @wildcurlss @wadehanna @x3winniee @xocheyxo33 @xxchloek @xmckinchx @ystrdattire @yarennnni @yancipadawan @yemijox @zaldi @zaradinero @zionhill_ @zbr101 please read, share, and block the person
thepriceisrigh
@nicky2014 Thanks Done!!!!!!!!!
nicky2014
@thepriceisrigh 💕💕
malvarez1210
What stuff is yours? Maybe someone can "trade" her (LOL) for those articles and get them back for you, then she'll know what getting scammed feels like. I had someone try to do that to me but when I realized it I stopped payment right away. She had no intention of shipping anything but an empty box to me.
nicky2014
@malvarez1210 I wish someone would 😔. Or maybe get her stuff that I was supposed to get
nicky2014
@rebel_house what did u do about it?
desertthreadsaz
I'm so sorry Hun! I blocked and reported her
neilslady
That is just wrong... how can people sleep at night??!
nicky2014
@xocheyxo33 @neilslady yes please report her and share so your friends can block her as well
smileyamy817
I blocked her! I am so sorry that happened to you. What a terrible human.
smileyamy817
Also I was just wondering how did you know to tag me in this? Did I like one of her listings?
malvarez1210
@nicky2014 what were you supposed to get in return?
nicky2014
@malvarez1210 the white MK bag, the grey sweat pants, and a red hoodie
nicky2014
@smileyamy817 I'm just tagging everyone that's coming up on my tags. Maybe u and I interacted at some point. But I'll tag folks that have showed interest in her listings too
giggles93
Thank you so much for notifying us!!!
nicky2014
Please don't trade with her! Block her! @linniepooh @walker17 @mmakinzey @daneeg12 @rittab @mirandajade1 @princessnay27 @anjella @imtruee_bae @cazares02 @davidswifey23 @jessenia305 @scarlet_starlet @cassandra5 @meganchild2 @kadensmommy123 @k_ulbrich @michie1438 @lovelylexii46 @justinelaurynn @kayy08 @mollyh62 @gonnabehismrs
nicky2014
@giggles93 you're very welcome. Please share and block her
jessenia305
@nicky2014 wow thank u for the head up hun sorry about what happen
giggles93
@audigirl86 @kashz
lidovicky
Don't tag me in post that I don't care for... Please I have enough on my hands already
troyjagundez
I traded with her in the passed. I never had a problem. Im sorry you did but, please dont tag me in these listings anymore.
Good luck and thank you!
deatreaj
@nicky2014 Oh my, I'm so sorry this happened to you😟. I will block her as well as help you spread the word about her.
angusdaisy
Thanks for telling me about @samanthajo3
angusdaisy
Go to the police
gakatie
@nicky2014 file a report with the police department in her town anything over $500 could be a felony....$300 is enough to get their attention and also file a report with her post office because she used the USPS to commit a crime.
gakatie
@nicky2014 Also Posh will not do anything, you could even get kicked off. I haven't traded yet it seems more and more not worth it. So sorry hun
nicky2014
@angusdaisy @gakatie thanks. I'll definitely try. she just tried to scam another friend of mine and said I never shipped the items even though she ignored me for a whole week.
melissalaurennn
That's horrible!!! I'm sorry :( it's really sad how horrible some people are!
melissalaurennn
What's her posh name? It's not showing up..
nicky2014
@melissalaurennn the sad thing is she's now writing on my friend's page and saying I canceled the order when I was the one begging her to respond for a week until I got blocked. calling me a crazy bitch. Interesting. I even have a proof of shipping and can't even intercept the delivery at this point cz I shipped a week ago.
samanthajo3
@troyjagundez THANK YOU since she tagged people that have never traded with me except you she's crazy and a liar
nicky2014
samanthajo3 @melissalaurennn . I gave her the benefit of the doubt for a week cz she had a couple of normal trading/selling reviews but I guess she does select scams on big items 😂. Hopefully to prove me wrong she'll stop scamming. I saw that there are others who have traded with her and complained about not having received the items under her trade listings.
nicky2014
@samanthajo3 she's one of the people who made me trade with u in the 1st place. Cause u had some normal reviews. But the more I check, the more I see the other scams
nicky2014
@samanthajo3 even after everything u did, u blocked me but I didn't block u. Now you're writing SCAMMER on all my listings. You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you feel good about what you're doing.
troyjagundez
@nicky2014 Do you mean me? When you say Im 1 of the people who convinced you to trade w/ @samanthajo3 ? I traded w/ her & received ALL of my items, in great condition. Poshmark will delete this listing. Whether its true or not. But, like I said, dont tag me in this stuff. Its really pointless. I dont know you, nor have we ever done business together. I dont want ANYTHING to do with this. Tagging random people, who havent even spoken with her (much less traded with her) is ridiculous.
nicky2014
@troyjagundez I never meant to bother u with the tag and I do apologize. What I meant was she didn't seem shady since she has had some reviews or trades before, which is why I traded with her. But what she did was absolutely horrible and I saw on other listings that she's done the same to others. Again, I didn't mean to bother u. I just wanted to warn my fellow Poshers. My sincere apologies.
troyjagundez
@nicky2014 I accept your apology & I do appreciate you being woman enough to apologize. I really hope you aren't being dishonest in any way about being scammed by her. I only say that bc my husband is a State Police Detective so I know that she could go to any courthouse and sue you for blatant defamation of charactor for anywhere up to $5,000. & she would win bc you are using the internet to defame her. Just be careful what you say & who you say it to & about. Good luck & have a good evening ❤
nicky2014
@troyjagundez I have the snap shots of every conversation and transaction we've had. I followed up with her every day and didn't hear back thinking she must have lost her phone or something. But when I realized she was still on here, I wrote her again and again until she blocked me today and re-listed all the items. my apology was for having bothered u, and not for having made the listing and warning the others.
troyjagundez
You dont need to justify anything to me.
Like I said, I was letting you know.
Goodbye
audigirl86
@giggles93 thanks for the heads up
nicky2014
@audigirl86 you're welcome 💕
audiep
@nicky2014 She is selling your white MK bag. She made a listing accusing you scamming her by falsely accusing her and just not mailing your things to her
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 omg did u try to call the post office ??? To tell them what happen? I mean i would try to do that that sucks
nicky2014
@audiep I saw that. In my attachments you can see that my order was shipped to her all the way to Connecticut but wasn't delivered because her location is not secure or something. I'm not sure what's going on with that and now she's convincing my friend posher @mikelysh2014 to buy her bag just to prove me wrong. If I had more space for pics, I would post all our chat history. 😭😭 I'm so frustrated and hate to be a part of this. what she's doing is so mean.
audiep
Definitely a bad situation! Sorry about it :(
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I waited for her response for a week after I shipped everything on the 20th. When she never responded and blocked me, I tried to intercept my package today and it says I can no longer do it. I'm not sure is it's because she's picked it up or because it's been more than 5 days. But somehow she made a listing where my package shows as "canceled". On mine it shows as pending acceptance (last attachment)
nicky2014
@audiep 💕
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 mmmm thats wierd bc im not sure how would she do that...
Did u ask the post office if u can make a report?
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 just tell the post office u wanna make a report
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 if she did pick your stuff up in person then she had to sign up to pick the stuff up...
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I think I will tomorrow. I have more boutique items so I have only done select trades with people I've trusted. Never had a problem. I mean if she had just kept in communication with me since the trade, I would have had a better idea. I didn't even wanna fully doubt her until she completely blocked me and re-listed the stuff. I also don't know where my package is in CT. Either way, she never even shipped her package to me and now she's bad mouthing me and I hate all of it.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 keep emailing poshmark
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I am. I sent them emails and will send all the records they need.
hadiyah26
@gakatie @nicky2014 i completely agree with gakatie please do this u can save other girls just like u.. so this dont happen again
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 thank you for the support. I really only posted this because I wanted to stop her from doing this and I'm sure she won't do it again now that she exposed. I didn't even block her like she blocked so that she can at least comment on here. Instead, she quoted a lady who has traded with her before and didn't like being tagged on this, and after that she wrote scammer under most of my listings
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 r u sure your package is bot lost somewhere??? Maybe is somewhere lost and the post office have to keep looking for it
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 u should take a picture of the order status and make a post, she have a post of the order status for $7.99 i think that does says cancel
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 as u can see above, it reached CT on the 22nd but there's something weird happening with her address. I'll go to the post office and see what's happening. I really don't even care about the package at this point. I shipped as promised, when she never even intended to ship and she ignored and blocked me.
nicky2014
that's what bugs me. If she wants to double dip and re-sell her bag, let her. And even if she has my items, so be it. But what she's doing is not cool and she's not even regretting it a bit. Instead she's accusing and bad mouthing me. @hadiyah26
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 so she did got your items then??? So she went to the post office to get it? And dhe never ship the package that was mean to be for u?
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 my package is definitely in CT where she lives. I don't know for sure if she has it but it says "pending acceptance". And no she never ever shipped her package and stopped responding to my messages since the trade day. completely ignored me for a week, then deleted all the listings of our trades and re-listed her items. Oh and she blocked me.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 but honey call the post office tomorrow and ask them what happen with your package and if they sell it was delivered, then she had to sign her name and show her id to pick the package up...
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 yes I plan to go there tomorrow. Up until she blocked me today, I was still hoping to hear from her so I could see why she's not shipping or if she ever got my package. I really did give her the benefit of the doubt and never wanted it to go this far. I just attached the last one for u.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 yes or maybe her post office got the package there still.... in case she did took your package just go to the police station and make a report
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 yes I'll try. If anything, I hope she stops her scamming and false accusations after this. and since PM has not shut down her page, I'm sure she'll eventually sell all the stuff that I was supposed to get 😔. I can't win either way.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 yes find out first wheres the package at . .
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I'll try 💕
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 @mikelysh2014 PM informed me that they contacted USPS and my package was delivered to her on the 22nd but she has emailed PM today after blocking me and reported that she never received it. 😔 If she had any problems receiving my item, she would have responded to my messages and complained about it so we could have solved the problem quietly. She never shipped her package to me in the 1st place so that explains it all. I'm so bummed.
chrisanny
Shared and blocked! So sorry this happened to you girl.
mikelysh2014
Sorry Hun that was just a pure scam
nicky2014
@audiep I just attached proof of delivery of my item to her that was sent to me by USPS, when she's claiming on her page that I cancelled my order. Why would I be the one contacting her daily if I canceled? She only reported not having received my items after she blocked me and re-listed the items.
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 I know now for sure 😔. I attached USPS proof of delivery. It was never about the items I didn't get or the items I lost to her, it was more about the principle and how shameless she is being after all she did. I never expected this when I accepted her request to trade. This was all so frustrating and not sure I'd wanna trade again.
nicky2014
@chrisanny 💕
mikelysh2014
@nicky2014 You never really know who to trust its sad because trading can be a good deal too. But ughhh check the address, do you know the address where you shipped? I read an other scammer using a house for sale address for her delivery stuff then she goes around pick up and claim she never receive or something . So sad so sad. I'd lunch my own investigation, do all the research about her and her address and get the police involved .
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 I thought she kinda got to you yesterday when u liked her listing and that honestly upset me more 😭😭. They use empty houses as mailing address? What is this? The new Catfish show? ☺️ come have coffee with me.
mikelysh2014
@nicky2014 lol ahahhaha I would never do that to you.lol and I was not interested in it I did that for you so we'll see if she is ready to sell it to somebody else. I don't like the way she is handling it, she doesn't care and that upset me too. Hahaha what a jerk though
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 madam detective. 💕💕💕💕💕
mikelysh2014
I was reading all kind of scams on ppl profil, yeah some will use another address close to where they live and they'll go pick it up, and you have no proof they did . It's scary
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 well this one said it was delivered to an insecure location. but hey. it's a win-win for her. She re-listed everything and deleted my old chats and of people telling her she's a scammer. She'll probably enjoy my stuff and re-sell hers. She even write SCAMMER under most of my listings that I don't wanna delete even cz I got nothing to hide.
mikelysh2014
@nicky2014 ahahhahaha I dealt with you and I know how honest you are. So I felt for you Hun 😂😂😂😂😂😂
mikelysh2014
@nicky2014 she also have a post exclusively for you calling you the scammer
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 yes @audiep told me about that. I wonder how she got my bundle showing as canceled and if it was "canceled", why she never reported it sooner or contacted me. How am I the scammer when I was the one who kept my word and shipped and she didn't make a single comment until I posted this? ah more coffee ☺️
mikelysh2014
She cancelled it, I happen to cancell some off my sale because the condition was bag at the time off the purchased . Therefore the buyer get they're money back. But with trading there is nothing you can do because you already sent it to her and she cancel it.
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 if I ever trade again, I'm making u do the background check on the person 😂😂😂
mikelysh2014
@nicky2014 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂lol I'm going to work now talk to you tonight probably 😂😂😂 don't forget to call the PD 😂
nicky2014
@mikelysh2014 have a great day at work 💕
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 how was it delivered? ?? If the post office attempted delivery but was something wrong with her address? ???
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 the address is still mentioned as "insecure location" but maybe she picked it up herself yesterday because now it says it was successfully delivered on the 26th at 4:30pm. And she canceled my order and reported it to PM after the delivery.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 call this girls post office look it up online and call and ask if she pick it up or if it was delivered
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I'll try again but PM already emailed and told me it was delivered. And also the tracking info was updated as seen attached.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 if they left a notice then she had to go to pick it up??? At least she ask for redelivery
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I guess.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 so if she got it whats PM gonna do about it???
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 I don't think they get involved in trade cases but they're willing to refund my $3 cause she canceled the order after receiving my package 😂
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 wow that sucks. .. u should go make a police report
nicky2014
@mcawthon19 💕
nicky2014
@mcawthon19 my luck 😕
nicky2014
@ruthyluv 🙊
ruthyluv
@nicky2014 she's blocked thx
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 yes she has gone and personally picked up my package from the post office yesterday. They gave me a paper to prove it.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 good now make a report
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 @mikelysh2014 @xocheyxo33 she's deleted all her listings.
hadiyah26
@nicky2014 what u mean?
nicky2014
@hadiyah26 if u go to her page, there are no listings anymore. I'm not sure if that means PM has warned her or if she's trying to start a new account. Either way, I hope she feels a little regret at least about what she did to me.
tarabear22
Omg I lost $200 in uggs we were suppose to exchange, I'm glad u posted! These people need to be outed!!!! It's not fair to those who are genuine about trading! I'll share!!
nicky2014
@jayraye42
jayraye42
She has I think made a new account. It's just a meet your posher and different profile picture
nicky2014
@tarabear22 I feel u. I had nothing to gain from listing this. I just wanted to warn my posher friends and as u can see most appreciate it. But I also had a person (a sweet lady by the way) doubt me and ask me to untag her because she had successfully traded with the scammer. People should realize that scammers do it periodically not always so they can at least have some good reviews to count on.
nicky2014
@jayraye42 what?! Could u please give me the name of the account?
jayraye42
I'm sorry. It's the same account. The meet your posher is from August
nicky2014
@jayraye42 it can't be though. All I see is an empty page now with no listings, not even meet your posher.
jayraye42
Then she blocked you
tarabear22
I have nothing to gain by it. Just don't want anyone else to be scammed. We trusted them and they violated that. Someone's word should be enough! Keep spreading the word. I guess no more trading!! For now unless there is a for sure thing.
tarabear22
I'm going to just keep posting!!! Everyone needs to know so it's stops
nicky2014
@jayraye42 she blocked me way back when she re-listed all the items I was supposed to get 😂😂
jayraye42
It takes a few days. That's what my scammer did. Now I can't see anything on her profile it took 3 days
nicky2014
@tarabear22 I so agree with u. Just trade with people u fully trust or don't trade at all. I had only done select trade on my own used items, not my boutique items. and since she had deleted all the bad chat history and false trades, I trusted the good reviews I saw.
nicky2014
@tarabear22 @jayraye42 if u know more people who were scammed, and if u decide to make a list of all the scammers' names, please tag me on it and all the victims and we can all spread the word
jayraye42
It's on my page
nicky2014
@jayraye42 could u please take a snapshot of the page you're seeing of her? Even when I'm blocked, I should be able to see the listings. I hope she doesn't have multiple accounts.
jayraye42
I look up her name there isn't any thing else.
nicky2014
@jayraye42 good
nicky2014
@maddiekasandra I hate reporting others but i guess I'm gonna have to. Just don't have the time to deal with her with a full-time job and all. Ugh 😕
nicky2014
@celinabot
stayxstylish
I just looked her up and it seems as if poshmark read your email and shut down her account! Her listings are still up but no one can see it because poshmark blocked her from listing/commenting on here! She might be able to create a new account in the future so just keep your eyes open for that! ✨ & sorry about what happened to you'💕 karma will get back to her one way or another.
nicky2014
@celinabot @maddiekasandra how are the listings still up if no one can see them? I thought she deleted them herself. I'm still new to this whole thing 😕.
nicky2014
@maddiekasandra yes I have everything on record and Poshmark has it too now. 😎
stayxstylish
Well you reported her account therefore poshmark took a look & investigated the information you sent upon her. Only the people at Poshmark can see the listings but we can't and neither can the scammer (as you've seen she logged in like what 30minutes ago? But she can only browse. She can't comment/buy/sell) so basically her account is shut down and that's why no one can see her listings because she's not allowed to sell anymore.
nicky2014
@celinabot yay! 🎉🎉🎉
nicky2014
@maddiekasandra yes I might go to the police with the info. I just feel weird about reporting someone. It's just not me. Even though she had no regret and wrote "scammer" under most of my listings then she made a listing and called me a crazy bitch and stuff 😂😂😂.
nicky2014
@maddiekasandra you're hired!! 😈
nicky2014
@chelsiebarbie
nicolelove28
@maddiekasandra That's what im saying! ! U take my stuff u better pray I don't find u! Lol
nicky2014
@nicolelove28 @maddiekasandra 😂😂 you two are something else!
luxyouries
Hi there,
Can someone tell me how to look at peoples reviews? I can't figure it out... Thank you.
nicky2014
@luxyouries I don't really know where the rating shows myself but the reviews or the love notes are found under "about" on top of the page
luxyouries
@nicky2014 Thank you for responding! I'll check it out!
nicky2014
@luxyouries you're welcome
thedezirani
@natabelxo She blocked me, deleted her postings with warnings and is now reposting the same crap. I wanted to leave comments again that she is a scammer but she blocked me. Someone that isn't blocked, please leave a comment on every listing that she has, that she is a major scammer.
nicky2014
@thedezirani hi. Were you talking about the girl you just tagged? the one who has like 5 listings? you can still post an alert to warn others. if that's the girl you're talking about, I'll block her. you can also report her so PM can take her listings down like they did with my scammer.
thedezirani
@nicky2014 yep her. She had 16 before and is just now reposting the same ones since her old ones had warnings. I have reported her under all the reasons I could lol ... but PM doesn't do much. So I am posting in all the scammer alert postings I have saved. ;)
nicky2014
@thedezirani yes please do that. As long as your postings are valid and you can back them up with snap-shots of old chat history, PM will keep your alert posting because you're doing them a favor too by eliminating dishonest folks. You'll also be doing many others a favor. Did u trade with her?
thedezirani
@nicky2014 I have a chat history if text messages saved. Nope thankfully I didn't trade....just trued to purchase a chanel that she claimed to have but thankfully I did it via CC.
nicky2014
@thedezirani so how does that work? She gets your money and PM refunds your money? I'm confused.
thedezirani
@nicky2014 oh sorry..lol so I was high off of pain meds when doing business with her. I recommend never shopping while on medication. Lol I tried to 🅿🅿 her but it wasn't working and I thought it was an error on my end. I really wanted the bag so I winded up doing it her way via square trade? She tried to say its safe ill see her business name blah blah. U can link bank accnt or CC n thankfully I did CC so I'll just dispute it now.
nicky2014
@thedezirani yea since you did it via CC, you should be able to get your money back and file an online fraud report. and make sure you're feeling better. No more pain meds 😉🙈🙊
nicky2014
@thedezirani once you make the listing, you can also tag people who you see have liked her re-listed items to warn them as well.
thedezirani
@nicky2014 lol I'm recovering from a recent accident and just wanted some new Chanel love. Lol yuuuup I have warned all those that likes her lsitings with: FYI: the seller natabelxo is a scammer. She steals other poshers photos and claims them as her own. She is relisting her items because her old ones had warning comments about her being a scammer. Don't ever do deals outside PM or 🅿🅿...she wants square 💲. Spread the word.
nicky2014
@thedezirani hope you're feeling much better now. Post an alert and we'll all spread the word. 👍
nicky2014
@shelbyr5945 😒👆👆
shelbyr5945
Wow that's crazy
nicky2014
@shelbyr5945 the crazy part is when a person doesn't have any regret about deceiving others. She didn't stop there. She decided that because I reported her, she might as well sabotage me by writing scammer under my listings. I feel pity for her.
shelbyr5945
Yeah I saw that on one of your listings..... You could report her for harrassment
nicky2014
@shelbyr5945 I did. PM removed her listings. She has changed her profile picture twice since then so people don't recognize her from my listing.
shelbyr5945
Wow
nicky2014
@shelbyr5945 isn't it sad when people risk losing their reputation over a couple of pieces of clothing? just really sad. oh well....😏
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