The Limited Collection brown pencil skirt sz 8. Cute detailing at hip. 16" waist. 20.5" long. Fully lined. Zip back. New York & Company hunter green pencil skirt sz 8. Not lined. Really cute pleating at the back "slit". 16" waist. 22" long down the front. Zip back. Neither has ever been in the dryer. Smoke-free home with no cats. I do have dogs.