These are Brand New No Box Size: 4M Color:Brown Material: Leather I am a very Motivated seller. I clean and sanitize all my shoes. I pride myself in Fast Shipping and Fair Pricing. I sometimes cannot lower the price because I may have already marked down due to age, or an item has just been listed and is at FMV. I am never upset if someone asks for a fair deal and prefer to do negotiations through Sellers "Make Offer" Button when you are ready to purchase. Also, any Questions Please ask. I will answer ASAP. Thanks for looking. Steve