Reposhing this item I just purchased from @babyben2004. These are in mint condition; however, I have quickly learned that Relaxed does not mean loose fitting in this style! These fit much more like a size 4, or 27 SLIM. With the lower rise of 9" the waist is extremely tight in these, as is the hip. The legs feel more like a 28. Therefore the fit of these is going to be fitted around the waist, hips and butt with a more relaxed straight pant leg that can be cuffed. If you are typically a four in chinos (think LOFT CHINOS), and can wear a low rise, these should be pretty good for you. For context, I am typically a 29 in the Serif and a 27 in the Wanderer. I will likely need a size 30 in this style. If you need specific measurement, reach out. I love these pants and was so excited for them and super bummed they won't work! Questions? Leave a comment below!