These gorgeous size 3 pale indigos were sadly too big for me - looking to trade for pale indigos size 2 (13.75in - 14in across). Will consider selling if a trade does not come up. The original owner washed once and hung dry. She also removed the patch because she didn't like logos but included the patch in case you'd like to sew it back on. Jeans are in perfect condition: soft and ready to be loved!