okay I am stoked to Posh these. Who can I make happy? I wore these well and they have a vintage rocker vibe, one of a kind because as the rips wore I patched her and there. the bigger tear(was purchased as) I patched from the inside out. you could probably get the patches to come off if you prefer. I'm a 26/27 now in most, these fit too loose on me in my opinion. fit best a 28